Fall Kercher/Knox/Sollecito

pfiffi schrieb:
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Interessant ist auch die Litigation, die hier betrieben wurde - und zwar im Gegensatz zu unwahren Ausstreuungen von beiden Seiten.
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pfiffi schrieb:ich meinte damit, dass die Anti-Knox-Fraktion gerne ausstreut, "DIE" (Amanda Knox) "und nur DIE" habe Litigation ja wohl nötig. Litigation ist von beiden Seiten betrieben worden.

Wie wir Litigation im Einzelnen zu bewerten haben, bleibt offen. Ob Amanda Knox - die ja sowas von offenkundig unschuldig ist - ohne Litigation auch frei gekommen wäre?

Es ist beunruhigend, dass man sich überlegen muss, ob diese Frage mit "Nein" zu beantworten ist.

Die regeln mache nicht ich, die macht forumieren.com. ärgerlich, aber nicht zu ändern. Eine Woche geht vorbei ;-)

Es ist beunruhigend, dass man sich überlegen muss, ob diese Frage mit "Nein" zu beantworten ist.

hansM schrieb:dass Hellmann bestochen wurde

pfiffi schrieb:

hansM schrieb:dass Hellmann bestochen wurde

Du scherzest!

Dann kenne ich Meredith Kerchers Mörder: Du und ich, wir beide waren es.

Mit solchen "Argumenten" kann ich natürlich alles beweisen...

PS: Zum Posten von Links in der ersten Woche (ist eben leider so)

HansW schrieb:Die Lage, in der sich Amanda Knox befindet ist nicht gerade einfach. Einerseits muss sie im Hinblick auf das neue Verfahren den Ball flach halten, was Kritik an den italienischen Behörden angeht, andererseits will sie die Leute von ihrer Unschuld überzeugen. Das geht aber eigentlich nur uberzeugend, wenn sie auf die Schlampereien und rüden Verhörmethoden der Polizei und die Rechtsbeugungen der Richter hinweisen kann. Das ist ihr aber nicht möglich, weil es ihr im neuen Prozess schaden würde und womöglich neue Klagen nach sich zöge.

Deshalb muss sie sich mit "keine Spuren von mir in Merediths Zimmer" oder "ich war verwirrt und bin zusammengebrochen" anstatt von "Seht euch diese Idioten doch an!" (mit dem Verweis auf die Polizeivideos) und "Die haben mich solange unter Druck gesetzt, bis ich nicht mehr wusste, wo oben oder unten ist." behelfen. Genau so in Bezug auf Merediths Familie, "Ich wünschte, sie würden mir eine Chance geben und die Möglichkeit meiner Unschuld in Betracht ziehen." ist wohl ihre Art zu sagen: "Macht endlich die Augen auf und akzeptiert, dass Meredith einem profanen Raubmord und keinem satanistisch angehauchten, aus dem Ruder gelaufenen Sexspiel zum Opfer gefallen ist, wie es euch die StA und euer Anwalt weismachen wollen!"

Die Notwendigkeit diplomatisch zu bleiben, um ihre ohnehin geringen Chancen, was den neuen Prozess angeht, nicht vollends zu zerstören, lässt ihre Versuche die Welt von ihrer Unschuld zu überzeugen mMn so halbherzig wirken.

Aberdeen schrieb:Beim Rest habe ich beim Motiv schon gesagt, dass der STA einfach nur völlig durchgeknallt ist ;-)

At 6.30am on Tuesday, November 6, the bell to his fourth-floor flat in the town buzzed insistently and a woman's voice outside demanded he opened the door. He had barely had time to do so when the woman, assisted by, Patrick estimates, 15 to 20 others, barged their way in.

"They were wearing normal clothes and carrying guns," he says. "I thought it must be some sort of armed gang about to kill me. I was terrified.

"They hit me over the head and yelled 'dirty black'. Then they put handcuffs on me and shoved me out of the door, as Aleksandra pulled Davide away, screaming."

He was greeted outside by a convoy of seven police cars, sirens blazing, and driven to Perugia's police station, where he was subjected to a ten-hour interrogation.

"I was questioned by five men and women, some of whom punched and kicked me," he claims. "They forced me on my knees against the wall and said I should be in America where I would be given the electric chair for my crime. All they kept saying was, 'You did it, you did it.'

"I didn't know what I'd 'done'. I was scared and humiliated. Then, after a couple of hours one of them suggested they show me a picture of 'the dead girl' to get me to confess.

"It might sound naive, but it was only then that I made the connection between Meredith's death and my arrest. Stunned, I said, 'You think I killed Meredith?'

"They said, 'Oh, so now you've remembered' and told me that if I confessed I'd only get half the 30-year sentence." It wasn't until 5.30pm that ? still handcuffed and unfed ? he was shown the evidence against him, a statement from Amanda saying that on the night of November 1 he had persuaded her to take him back to the house she shared with Meredith and two others.

Mr Lumumba said: 'One thing I could never understand is that Amanda has always said she was given a rough time by the police. But I was named as the one who killed Meredith, the black third-world African, and they never gave me any problems.

Hellmann schrieb:It is in fact not at all logical to assume that Amanda Knox, if she had actually been an
accomplice [concorrente] in the crime, could hope that giving Patrick Lumumba’s name –
whom, in such a case, she should have [33] known to be absolutely unconnected with the
crime, and even physically far from the scene of the crime – could have somehow
benefited her position, as it would have been easier for her, if anything, to indicate the true
name of the perpetrator while insisting on her own total uninvolvement. After all, she
lived in that house and found herself at the moment of the crime in her own room,
perhaps really spending some time [intrattenendosi] with Raffaele Sollecito as the Court of
first instance held; it would have been a perfectly normal circumstance, and would not
have conferred any responsibility on her for a crime committed by others in the next room.
So, for Amanda Knox, had she been in the house at via della Pergola at the time of the
crime, the easiest way to defend herself would have been to indicate the real perpetrator,
[who was] in any case present inside the house [as well], because this would have made
her credible, rather than indicating a person absolutely unconnected with the event, whom
she could not have any reason to hope would not have an alibi, and thus be able to prove that the story she gave police was false.
(...)
The obsessive length of the interrogations which took place day and night and were
conducted by several people questioning a young and foreign girl, who at that time did
not understand or speak the Italian language well at all, ignorant of her own rights and
deprived of the advice of a lawyer, to which she would have been entitled since she was by then in fact accused of serious crimes, and assisted furthermore by an interpreter who –
as pointed out by the lawyer Bongiorno – instead of limiting herself to translating also
tried to induce her to force herself to remember, explaining to her that maybe, because of
the trauma she had undergone, her memories were confused, makes it altogether
understandable that she found herself in a situation of significant psychological pressure –
calling it stress would appear reductive – such as to raise doubt about the actual
spontaneous nature of the declarations.